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Is the Gepard not already on a Leo1 hull?
Diminishing returns in terms of armour. You can make it infinitely more expensive in terms of armour, make it as solid as a Chally if you want, but a well placed ATGM will still kill. Further more, tough to armour a radar, as long as you can sensor kill it, it may as well be dead. I think the A ech is the perfect hedge for the squadron AD.I’m not suggesting a Gepard - but a more armored version
Certainly would require something since there's no coax haha. Silly design if you ask me. The Gnr/comd should have a coax 7.62 and there should be a fourth crewman who is the air sentry and manning a distinct AD RWS. Give the comd a screen to give fire control orders.Also demostrator tanks often have a lot of stuff bolted to them that never makes it to production. Who is going load that 30mm? clear jams, etc. Not to mention overwhelm the crew with tasks. Getting rid of it will likley drop the weight below 60 tons
I think all EMBT/KF51/ARC 3.0 are all planned on having a 30mm RWS/Trophy and a coaxCertainly would require something since there's no coax haha. Silly design if you ask me. The Gnr/comd should have a coax 7.62 and there should be a fourth crewman who is the air sentry and manning a distinct AD RWS. Give the comd a screen to give fire control orders.
Hope so! The Leo RC 3.0 prototype does have a coax cutout.I think all EMBT/KF51/ARC 3.0 are all planned on having a 30mm RWS/Trophy and a coax
i read somewhere that it will, been looking for it. maybe more info on KNDSHope so! The Leo RC 3.0 prototype does have a coax cutout.
The Gepard turret is where I was thinking for more armor - the radar can be extremely more low pro - as well as taking linked feeds.Diminishing returns in terms of armour. You can make it infinitely more expensive in terms of armour, make it as solid as a Chally if you want, but a well placed ATGM will still kill. Further more, tough to armour a radar, as long as you can sensor kill it, it may as well be dead. I think the A ech is the perfect hedge for the squadron AD.
The folks over at the War Zone also have an article that looks at experiments by Rheinmetall in mounting the Skyranger 35 on older Leopard 1 hulls:Putting your Gepard in a tank fight is a good way to get your Gepard killed. The furthest forward I want that is ideally the A1 or A2 Ech. Put them in the F Ech and the first thing I shoot is the box with the big spinny thing...then unleash the drones. One bound to the rear would provide ample radar coverage for the FEBA.
That said, armoured regiments most certainly need internal EW and AD. A Gepard is good example of what should be attached to the SHQ.
Edit: Speak of the devil, Son of Gepard, equipped with the Skyranger 35 with AHEAD.
Rheinmetall unveils hybrid tank and air defense system
Rheinmetall, the German defense giant, has introduced a groundbreaking hybrid of the Pz.87 tank (a Swiss variant of the Leopard 2) and the Skyranger 35 air defense turret at Eurosatory 2024. This innovative system represents the next step in mobile air defense, following the success of the...defence-blog.com
Sounds similar the Staff & Support Company of a Swedish Mechanized Battalion which contains:Interesting Support Squadron - 8x AMOS/MJollnir and 12-16 Skyrangers - mount on Leo1s or CV90s.
“The experiences from recent crises and wars, in addition to the obvious postponement of the main Ground Combat System Program [MGCS], creates the necessity to set up an additional medium-term solution,” Bjoern Bernhard, Managing Director of Rheinmetall Landsysteme, said today at the unveiling here at Eurosatory in Paris.
“We see that the MGCS is not getting ahead like it was thought to be,” he later told reporters. “So, I can tell you right in the beginning, the MGCS was thought to be introduced in 2035 and with a small look on the calendar, I can tell you that is only 10 years to go for an extremely complex system.”
Today, Bernhard said the CUT is still in the “early” side of development, but if a customer is interested and ready to invest, the company could have it ready for the field in the early 2030s.
Rheinmetall’s announcement comes as questions linger about the health of the MGCS program. The Franco-German project was first launched in 2017 to develop a commonly designed next-generation European main battle tank to succeed French Army Leclerc and German Leopard 2 vehicles, with entry of service originally planned for 2035. Sébastien Lecornu, France’s defense minister, has since suggested between 2040-2045 stands as a more realistic timetable.
Too bad we keep cutting our old kit up or turning it into monuments or range targets.The folks over at the War Zone also have an article that looks at experiments by Rheinmetall in mounting the Skyranger 35 on older Leopard 1 hulls:
Old Leopard Tanks Can Be Reborn As Air Defense Systems With Skyranger 35 Turret
Integrating the Skyranger automatic cannon system on old Leopard 1 tanks could speed critical drone-busting air defenses to Ukraine.www.twz.com
Too bad we don’t buy enough kit and then run it past the point where it is worn out…Too bad we keep cutting our old kit up or turning it into monuments or range targets.
some more info on the ARC 3.0
the ARC 3.0 driving and firing
He is missing the one point that the major weight increases occurred during the times of Gulf War 1 and GWOT. The NATO current gen tanks all had their genesis from the Cold War and those earlier versions where all sub 60tWeight is the big issue according to this interview